Auguste Community Meeting 1 Minutes

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Meeting Information

Date 2009-07-03
Time 13:30 - 15:00
Location Radboud University Nijmegen, HG 00.058
Chairman Jan de Muijnck-Hughes
Secretary Bart van Delft

Opening

The meeting was opened by Jan de Muijnck-Hughes at 12:35. Present at this meeting were:

  • Jan de Muijnck-Hughes (chairman)
  • Bart van Delft (secretary)
  • Arjan Blom
  • Adam Cornelissen
  • Jip Hogenboom
  • Harm van Tilborg

Arjan: There are no students representing Twente, how come?
Jan: They all went home, probably they do not want to use their influence. hence they have no say in the meeting today
Harm: But they did come to the Fox-IT trip, so they probably are interested in Augustes activities.

Edit: by Jan - I amended the comment attributed to myself so that it actually reflected what was said; and fixed some english

Action Points from previous meeting

Action points that were reached:

  • Create a website with forum, agenda and wiki
  • Locate the website under the kerckhoffs-domain
  • Organize excursion to Fox-IT together with Erik Poll
  • Find a name for our community

Action point that was not reached:

  • Create a mailinglist

Discussion Points

The order in which the discussion points were to be discussed was altered slightly by Jan. They are described here in the order in which they were discussed.

Community Charter

Proposer Jan de Muijnck-Hughes
Description To compose a document that explicitly mentions the communities aims, methodologies and organisation.
Rationale Such a document should be able to avoid confusion in the future about A) what the community provides and B) what is expected of community members.
Discussion Jan explains the discussion point. Everyone appears to agree with the suggestion.

Bart: How are we going to organize the creation of this document?
Jan: We can create a wiki-page for this. One person could start this page, after which other members can edit and discuss it. There should be one person moderating that page and finalize it for a certain deadline.
The deadline for this wiki page is set on the end of this college year, August 31.

Some suggestions were made for the structure of this page, resulting (in short) in answers to the following questions:

Who? Kerckhoffs Students
Why? There is / was no platform across the 3 universities for students
What?
  • Forum for dicussions
  • Advises for excursions etc.
  • Auguste does not do these things, but enables cross-university activities
  • Go between students and institute organization
Conclusion Decided was that (AP) Bart should make the initial Community Charter page since he has the minutes of this discussion. It will be based upon the suggestions mentioned above. A final version will be created from this page before the end of August (the month).

Group Communication

Proposer Jan de Muijnck-Hughes (and who ever added the Mailing list suggestion to the todo page in the first place.)
Description To improve the community communication through a mailing list and/or have a list of addresses available to members.
Rationale At the moment there seems to be no official accessible list that we can access that has all the Kerckhoff student details in. I think Bart may have a copy but... we need to have a way to facilitate easier to use and more accessible means of group communication.
Notes There is an unofficial mailing list already. You can sign up for it over here: http://gewis.nl/mailman/listinfo/security-master

To give an impression of the past state of affairs, I (Julius) have already been asked by Jan Schut (mastercoordinator at the UT) to forward something to this list, because he had no other way to communicate with "all" the Kerckhoffs students.

Discussion Jan explains the discussion point. The existing mailing list, mentioned in the notes section above, does not has that large a number of members. Question is to either use the existing list or create a new one.

Jan: The mailing list, and Auguste, can fill in the gaps where the Kerckhoffs Institute is lacking.
Arjan: We should beware not to form into a spam-list. For example, I do not need emails about the changes of a course I don't follow.
Jan: But that is not what the mailing list initially is for (but can be used for) - we should make this list for our own use solely.

Conclusion A single list for all Auguste members should be created (so no individual lists for different years). We, Auguste society, should be in control of this list.

AP: Investigation in possibilities and creation of this mailinglist. This action point is assigned to the interim board (see further).

Website Enhancements

Proposer Jan de Muijnck-Hughes
Description To enhance the community websites functionality via properly implemented Calendar and Map applets. This can be achieved using both a Google Calendar and Map and the required Wikimedia extensions to properly integrate them within the site. Another suggesstion is to add an RSS feed for the sites news to allow for people to subscribe to the websites news.
Rationale It has been observed recently that the calendar operates in a WIKI mentality in that no pages are deleted and any changes such as a move in date will only result in a redirect to the new date, with the existing date still in place. With out proper maintenance this could lead to a cluttered calendar full of redirects. Also with the Maps this could lead to better functionality and give people a clearer idea of routes and locations. Inspiration for this came from the OWASP mediawiki based site. And the RSS feed is just a logical extension of a news feed.
Notes Apparently there is a plan by C&CZ to upgrade the underlying mediawiki implementation.
Discussion Jan explains the point. The calendar functionality is not really working as we would like to. It might be a possiblity to use a Google calendar instead. This can be done via extensions (also for Google Maps), however who is going to control this calendar / the maps we create? A board?

This discussion led eventually to the discussion as to whether or not we should continue using the mediawiki as the underlying system for the Auguste-webpage, or that we should switch to something like Joomla or Drupal. In short:
Mediawiki:

  • Hosted and maintained by C&CZ Nijmegen; ensures the reliability of the system
  • Probably a more simple environment for others to learn quickly
  • We do not fully control it (e.g. do not have access to databases)

Joomla / Drupal:

  • Will probably not be hosted and maintained by C&CZ
  • Requires our own server
  • More extensions / easier to adept
  • May have full contorl

Arjan: I think we really have to consider the continuation of Auguste here. For example, someone will have to keep the website up to date etc. What if there is a year in which there aren't that many active studens?
Jan: Indeed it may be more simple keeping the current wiki.

Conclusion The possibilities of using another host, maybe even a Joomla/Drupal-oriented host, should be investigated (AP). This AP is also assigned for the interim board to manage (see further).

Website Style

Proposer The people who contributed to the Suggestions_website
Description To pick/edit the default themes for the:
  • Website
  • Forum
  • Calendar

so that they look nice.

Rationale Hopefully these changes can increase the usability and visual appearance of the website.
Notes Apparently there is a plan by C&CZ to upgrade the underlying mediawiki implementation.
Discussion Jan explains the point. No one really objects, however this point does not seem to be of any great importance yet, due to more urgent matters.
Conclusion This should be looked into, but we first have to focus on the other discussion points.

Jan: I'll probably post it again for the next meeting.


Legal Matters

Proposer Jan de Muijnck-Hughes
Description To sort out and finalise the sites legal matters:
  1. License the sites content under the Creative Commons 3.0 License from the Creative Commons Team or a suitable alternative.
  2. Create and compose teh Disclaimer and Privacy Policy Sections.
Rationale By licensing our work and adding the disclaimers and privacy policies we are protecting ourselves legally from any retribution.
Discussion Jan explains the disccusion point: What if we give directions to a university and these directions turn out to be incorrect, we do not want to be responsible for possible consequences. We need a disclaimer to get rid of the responsibility.
Conclusion We will for now place what Jan has created on the wiki (AP), except for the Creative Commons license on which we do not have decided yet.

Induction Day

Proposer Jan de Muijnck-Hughes (added to the discussion points by Bart van Delft)
Description Organize an introduction of some sort for the new Kerckhoffs' students of next year. This does not necessarily have to consist of one single induction day, but could also be extended to informing 3th year Bachelor students on the Computer Security master and so on. More information in this forum thread.
Rationale Many current Kerckhoffs' students have the feeling that they missed such an introduction at their start of the master, and we feel like we should prevent new students from searching in the dark for course information, location, schedules, fellow students etc. etc.
Notes The rumour mill has seen talks by Peter van Rossum and Pieter Hartel about induction days aswell.
Discussion Jan explains the point.

Harm: Berry gave an introduction to the new Eindhoven Kerckhoffs' students
Jan: What I expect from an induction day is a short welcome, hear what this year has in stock, meet your fellow students... Especially for foreign students who do not know anyone, these introductions are important.
Harm: Is this induction meant as an introduction to the Kerckhoffs Institute or to Auguste?
Jip: Shouldn't the Kerckhoffs Institute organize this day?
Jan: Yes, and they should create a slot for us, Auguste, to present ourselves.
Harm: Indeed someone from Auguste has to be there on that day.
Jan: Auguste should produce leaflets for the new students, with the Auguste website in it, information about Auguste etc. We could also make distinct leaflet for prospecting students, bachelor students etc.
Bart: Do you consider to hold this induction day on one university for all students or on each university for the Kerckhoffs students from that university?
Jip: Perhaps it's best to hold it on one university, so everyone meets each other.
Jan: But people will not be traveling two hours to an unknown university for a 20 minutes introduction.
Jip: The induction day should be before the first lecture.
Jan: Auguste should send suggestions to the universities organizing such a day.

Conclusion
  • The induction day should be held before the first lecture day
  • Auguste should 'tag along' the induction day already given by the university
  • Auguste should ensure that each university indeed organizes such a day (AP) (send e-mail to organization staff)
  • Perhaps we should have a second 'induction' day for all Kerckhoffs students' halfway / at the end of the first semester.
  • The leaflets should be distributed (AP)

These action points have been assigned to both the interim board and Jan (see further)

Auguste Representatives Internal

Proposer Bart van Delft
Description Assign a representative job to (at least) one student from each university. These persons can both represent the Kerckhoffs students from the their university to Auguste, as represent Auguste to their fellow students.
Rationale To increase communication and organization, it would be helpful to have at least a board of some kind, which moderates all Augustes activities. Note that this is already discussed on the forum.
Notes Please read the forum for more information.
Discussion Bart explains the point.

Jan: Internal representatives are a must.
There was some discussion, leading to the following points (in conclusions):

Conclusion
  • There should preferably be 1 representative from each university
  • An overlap in this board with the external representatives is not obligatory, but a possibility; separated in name only (Jan)
  • For now until about January we will have an interim board.
  • The interim board has to have its first meeting before August 14.
  • This interim board will initialize Auguste, decide upon the working of the organization and explain and transfer their results to a (by) then newly elected board.
  • The election for board members should be done per university.

The forming of the interim board is due July 20 (AP Jan and Bart). If from one university no one is willing to be in the interim board, other persons are allowed in the board (up to have a number of 3 students in the board).

Auguste Representatives External

Proposer Bart van Delft
Description Assign a representative job to (at least) one student from each university. These persons can represent their fellow students to the Kerckhoffs organization / staff. These persons might or might not be the same as in the Auguste Representatives Internal point.
Rationale Once the students have organized under the name of Auguste, it can be used to actually improve the Kerckhoffs Institute. Comments and suggestions can be gathered during Auguste meetings and communicated with the Kerckhoffs staff members. Note that this is already discussed on the forum.
Notes Please read the forum for more information.
Discussion Bart explains the discussion point. (note: In fact, this discussion point was discussed kind-of simultaneously with the previous one, however I've tried to separate the results).

All agreed that student representatives are needed.
Arjan: We as students should be heard by the organization of the Kerckhoffs Institute.
Jan: There should be a default e-mail-address for the representatives. E.g.: studentrepEindhoven@kerckhoffs-institute.org etc.

The question was raised whether the Kerckhoffs Institute or Auguste should organize elections for these representatives, and it was decided that this was really something the Institute should do herself.

Conclusion The Kerckhoffs staff should be e-mailed by Auguste Jan (AP) to inform them from the wish of the students for a new elections (and better organization) of student representatives.

A.O.C.B

There was no real AOCB, however, there was something that should be scheduled on the agenda by default, namely:

Next Meeting

Next Auguste Community Meeting

The next meeting will be somewhere in the first semester, it is up to the interim board to decide precisely when and where this meeting should take place. It was suggested that Utrecht might be the most nearby location for most of us, provided that everyone leaves from his/her home university..

Next (interim) Board Meeting

The board should be formed before July 20, their first meeting should be before August 14.

Closing

The meeting was closed by Jan at 15:00

Summary of new Action Points

Bart:

  • Make the initial Community Charter page. It will be based upon the suggestions given in the discussion. A final version will be created from this page before the end of August (the month). (Community Charter)
  • Form an interim board before July 20. (Auguste Representatives Internal)

Jan:

Interim Board:

  • Investigate the possibilities of the creation of a mailing list for Auguste members. (Group Communication)
  • Investigate the possibilities of using different hosting for the website, looking at the possibilities for using an other content manager (Website Enhancements)
  • Create leaflets / make that leaflets are created for representing Auguste during the induction day. (Induction Day)
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