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| Date | 2009-07-03 |
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| Time | 13:30 - 15:00 |
| Location | Radboud University Nijmegen, HG 00.058 |
| Chairman | Jan de Muijnck-Hughes |
| Secretary | Bart van Delft |
The meeting was opened by Jan de Muijnck-Hughes at 12:35. Present at this meeting were:
Arjan: There are no students representing Twente, how come?
Jan: They all went home, probably they do not want to use their influence. hence they have no say in the meeting today
Harm: But they did come to the Fox-IT trip, so they probably are interested in Augustes activities.
Edit: by Jan - I amended the comment attributed to myself so that it actually reflected what was said; and fixed some english
Action points that were reached:
Action point that was not reached:
The order in which the discussion points were to be discussed was altered slightly by Jan. They are described here in the order in which they were discussed.
| Proposer | Jan de Muijnck-Hughes | ||||||
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| Description | To compose a document that explicitly mentions the communities aims, methodologies and organisation. | ||||||
| Rationale | Such a document should be able to avoid confusion in the future about A) what the community provides and B) what is expected of community members. | ||||||
| Discussion | Jan explains the discussion point. Everyone appears to agree with the suggestion.
Bart: How are we going to organize the creation of this document? Some suggestions were made for the structure of this page, resulting (in short) in answers to the following questions:
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| Conclusion | Decided was that (AP) Bart should make the initial Community Charter page since he has the minutes of this discussion. It will be based upon the suggestions mentioned above. A final version will be created from this page before the end of August (the month). |
| Proposer | Jan de Muijnck-Hughes (and who ever added the Mailing list suggestion to the todo page in the first place.) |
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| Description | To improve the community communication through a mailing list and/or have a list of addresses available to members. |
| Rationale | At the moment there seems to be no official accessible list that we can access that has all the Kerckhoff student details in. I think Bart may have a copy but... we need to have a way to facilitate easier to use and more accessible means of group communication. |
| Notes | There is an unofficial mailing list already. You can sign up for it over here: http://gewis.nl/mailman/listinfo/security-master
To give an impression of the past state of affairs, I (Julius) have already been asked by Jan Schut (mastercoordinator at the UT) to forward something to this list, because he had no other way to communicate with "all" the Kerckhoffs students. |
| Discussion | Jan explains the discussion point. The existing mailing list, mentioned in the notes section above, does not has that large a number of members. Question is to either use the existing list or create a new one. Jan: The mailing list, and Auguste, can fill in the gaps where the Kerckhoffs Institute is lacking. |
| Conclusion | A single list for all Auguste members should be created (so no individual lists for different years). We, Auguste society, should be in control of this list. AP: Investigation in possibilities and creation of this mailinglist. This action point is assigned to the interim board (see further). |
| Proposer | Jan de Muijnck-Hughes |
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| Description | To enhance the community websites functionality via properly implemented Calendar and Map applets. This can be achieved using both a Google Calendar and Map and the required Wikimedia extensions to properly integrate them within the site. Another suggesstion is to add an RSS feed for the sites news to allow for people to subscribe to the websites news. |
| Rationale | It has been observed recently that the calendar operates in a WIKI mentality in that no pages are deleted and any changes such as a move in date will only result in a redirect to the new date, with the existing date still in place. With out proper maintenance this could lead to a cluttered calendar full of redirects. Also with the Maps this could lead to better functionality and give people a clearer idea of routes and locations. Inspiration for this came from the OWASP mediawiki based site. And the RSS feed is just a logical extension of a news feed. |
| Notes | Apparently there is a plan by C&CZ to upgrade the underlying mediawiki implementation. |
| Discussion | Jan explains the point. The calendar functionality is not really working as we would like to. It might be a possiblity to use a Google calendar instead. This can be done via extensions (also for Google Maps), however who is going to control this calendar / the maps we create? A board?
This discussion led eventually to the discussion as to whether or not we should continue using the mediawiki as the underlying system for the Auguste-webpage, or that we should switch to something like Joomla or Drupal. In short:
Joomla / Drupal:
Arjan: I think we really have to consider the continuation of Auguste here. For example, someone will have to keep the website up to date etc. What if there is a year in which there aren't that many active studens? |
| Conclusion | The possibilities of using another host, maybe even a Joomla/Drupal-oriented host, should be investigated (AP). This AP is also assigned for the interim board to manage (see further). |
| Proposer | The people who contributed to the Suggestions_website |
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| Description | To pick/edit the default themes for the:
so that they look nice. |
| Rationale | Hopefully these changes can increase the usability and visual appearance of the website. |
| Notes | Apparently there is a plan by C&CZ to upgrade the underlying mediawiki implementation. |
| Discussion | Jan explains the point. No one really objects, however this point does not seem to be of any great importance yet, due to more urgent matters. |
| Conclusion | This should be looked into, but we first have to focus on the other discussion points.
Jan: I'll probably post it again for the next meeting. |
| Proposer | Jan de Muijnck-Hughes |
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| Description | To sort out and finalise the sites legal matters:
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| Rationale | By licensing our work and adding the disclaimers and privacy policies we are protecting ourselves legally from any retribution. |
| Discussion | Jan explains the disccusion point: What if we give directions to a university and these directions turn out to be incorrect, we do not want to be responsible for possible consequences. We need a disclaimer to get rid of the responsibility. |
| Conclusion | We will for now place what Jan has created on the wiki (AP), except for the Creative Commons license on which we do not have decided yet. |
| Proposer | Jan de Muijnck-Hughes (added to the discussion points by Bart van Delft) |
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| Description | Organize an introduction of some sort for the new Kerckhoffs' students of next year. This does not necessarily have to consist of one single induction day, but could also be extended to informing 3th year Bachelor students on the Computer Security master and so on. More information in this forum thread. |
| Rationale | Many current Kerckhoffs' students have the feeling that they missed such an introduction at their start of the master, and we feel like we should prevent new students from searching in the dark for course information, location, schedules, fellow students etc. etc. |
| Notes | The rumour mill has seen talks by Peter van Rossum and Pieter Hartel about induction days aswell. |
| Discussion | Jan explains the point.
Harm: Berry gave an introduction to the new Eindhoven Kerckhoffs' students |
| Conclusion |
These action points have been assigned to both the interim board and Jan (see further) |
| Proposer | Bart van Delft |
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| Description | Assign a representative job to (at least) one student from each university. These persons can both represent the Kerckhoffs students from the their university to Auguste, as represent Auguste to their fellow students. |
| Rationale | To increase communication and organization, it would be helpful to have at least a board of some kind, which moderates all Augustes activities. Note that this is already discussed on the forum. |
| Notes | Please read the forum for more information. |
| Discussion | Bart explains the point.
Jan: Internal representatives are a must. |
| Conclusion |
The forming of the interim board is due July 20 (AP Jan and Bart). If from one university no one is willing to be in the interim board, other persons are allowed in the board (up to have a number of 3 students in the board). |
| Proposer | Bart van Delft |
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| Description | Assign a representative job to (at least) one student from each university. These persons can represent their fellow students to the Kerckhoffs organization / staff. These persons might or might not be the same as in the Auguste Representatives Internal point. |
| Rationale | Once the students have organized under the name of Auguste, it can be used to actually improve the Kerckhoffs Institute. Comments and suggestions can be gathered during Auguste meetings and communicated with the Kerckhoffs staff members. Note that this is already discussed on the forum. |
| Notes | Please read the forum for more information. |
| Discussion | Bart explains the discussion point. (note: In fact, this discussion point was discussed kind-of simultaneously with the previous one, however I've tried to separate the results).
All agreed that student representatives are needed. The question was raised whether the Kerckhoffs Institute or Auguste should organize elections for these representatives, and it was decided that this was really something the Institute should do herself. |
| Conclusion | The Kerckhoffs staff should be e-mailed by |
There was no real AOCB, however, there was something that should be scheduled on the agenda by default, namely:
The next meeting will be somewhere in the first semester, it is up to the interim board to decide precisely when and where this meeting should take place. It was suggested that Utrecht might be the most nearby location for most of us, provided that everyone leaves from his/her home university..
The board should be formed before July 20, their first meeting should be before August 14.
The meeting was closed by Jan at 15:00
Bart:
Jan:
Interim Board: